Yeah, sniping is going to need attention. You are making teams inherently timezone locked when the bidding is ending.

OK, thread read up to this point, I've got 24 bullet points in my to-look-at list. Some specific questions I have:



Can you give examples of this, so we can be sure we're looking at the right problem?



Can someone show their working on this (ie the calculations you're doing that lead you to conclude that the numbers are wrong) so (again) we can be sure we're looking at the right problem :)



Vacation was lovely, thank you.

I looked at this last week, the upshot from our end is that the text was unnecessarily broad and misleading - it does "technically" give an invention time reduction, but it doesn't actually let you do invention so you can never use that bit of the bonus. This is obviously silly. Text is now fixed; if you're stuck with an unwanted upgrade, I'd suggest talking to CS and asking what their policy is on that as I really don't know, sorry!

I don't totally follow your screenshots, you say one is 37m and one is 39m but the costs look the same to me?

Apologize if this has been discussed already.

In anticipation of the patch I put a lot of research in the oven. This was done in the belief that pre-patch rules would apply. In other words that the research I did would be transfered to the new ME / PE system. I have been told that this is not going to happen and was never intended. I find this a bit odd since I read up on a lot of the information available before the patch detailing a conversion from old ME to new ME and likewise for PE. As far as I know none of that specified a distinction between blueprints in research as opposed to blueprints in a hangar.

My problem with this is not that this was the outcome, but how it was done. I believe I read more than your average player about the patch before the patch and I did not see this. If you wanted to distinguish between blueprints in research and blueprints in a hangar players should have been made aware of this well in advance. Once a player submits a research job he does so in the expectation of a certain return, when in conversion a distinction is made you upset that as the player no longer gets the product he / she invested isk/time/fuel in.

Example: Player puts a blueprint in for ME research pre-patch going from ME 0->1 (ME 5% in the new system), he pays X amount of isk for this. What the player actually gets is a direct conversion, different from that specified in patch notes and devblogs, where old ME 0->1 becomes new ME 0% -> 1%. This is significantly different that what the player was expecting based on the choices he made in the game. In most, if not all cases, going from new ME 0%-1% is also significantly cheaper and less time consuming that old ME 0->1.

Are there any plans to take a second look at this?

Where do you have this information from? Do you have a link?

Where do you have this information from? Do you have a link?

If you are trying to abuse patch changover mechanics to gain an advantage, it's on you to keep abreast of exactly what the mechanics are.

The 0/0 T2 rig BPC thing reminds me of another thing I ran across recently...
Exploration-sourced T2 rig BPCs are still being generated at 0/0. This used to be better than invention-produced ones, but now it's worse. (Although, to be fair, it only matters on big blueprints; many of them use less than 10 of any given material per run.)

Was this intentional?

From what I saw, Greyscale said he would look into things that weren't converted right. These weren't converted at all: they were spawned *after* Crius was released.

Fakedit: On the other hand, it does look like I got scooped by someone two posts above me. I may have posted from page 12 instead of page 13 for some reason.

as far as i know you can do that now :)

Oh. I see the problem. The system index listed by the API includes all the applicable station-type bonuses, so the 0.04 number you're getting has already been halved due to the outpost.

(You'll note in the 3rd party blog it does not at any point direct you to multiply in the station bonuses; this is because they're already included in the index as just described.)

The formula is accurate (other than the reduction due to hours run. That was removed), but not for us to use, as we don't get the raw figures.

We use:

cost of materials of the output using the adjusted cost from the api, at ME 0
multiplied by 0.02 if it's a research/invention/RE/copy job
multiplied by the cost index for that activity, in that system.
multiplied by 1.1 if it's in an NPC station, or by the tax multiplier set on PC facilities
multiplied by the team cost multiplier (team cost of 4% = 1.04 multiplier)

You should propably change to this thread.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=372818&find=unread

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